Regarding NSFW

"crown victor victoria" (cvv) 01/13/2015 at 12:55 • Filed to: NSFW, OWNERS MANUAL, MODERATION, RULES OF THE ROAD

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Hello friends. Let's discuss the issue of NSFW content as it pertains to Oppositelock.

By that I mean posts that are simply pictures of people in various stages of undress, even if they're interspersed with pictures of cars, an article on cars or whatetver. If it's germane content that happens to have language, nudity, or violence, etc? That's different, and up to you if it's fit to share or not.

Nudes for the sake of nudes are the real issue, and we ask that you stop posting them to Oppositelock as of now.

True, NSFW posts have been a regular fixture within Oppositelock since inception. But in the early days, Oppo was a much smaller and insulated place, and Gawker's platform was much less able to distribute the content found within. Fast forward to today, and Oppo has grown exponentially, thanks to Jalopnik frontpage exposure, countless Membership Drives and Kinja's built-in sharing features.

Through this, Oppositelock has been a community primarily directed by the community, and there are no plans for that to cease. The handful of active moderators have put forth a !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! , and only act against users who choose to go against them in the most blatant of ways. We are not the thought police, or even the regular police - just < 10 people who, on a volunteer basis, can grant or limit your ability to post here.

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This change is not made lightly and was debated long and hard. Some moderators supported this outright, others were indifferent and a few were opposed. This conclusion was reached collectively and we believe this reflects a good cross section of Oppositelock's opinions and furthers Oppo's perception to the increasingly public eye.

Pun intended.

"But," you might be asking, "why?"

There are several reasons. One of which can be summed up nicely by !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! :

As it sits now, this is the 8th result on that page, and at other times has been higher and at other times has bled through to organic search results. We do not want to be known as a NSFW depository, and this will transcend the simple "if you don't like it, just don't click" argument EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. Some people are unable to read Oppo at all because the NSFW tag is right there for content filters to see. If it continues, we'll see wider blocking of the site. I don't think anybody really wants that, especially not those who Risk It All™ to browse during work or school hours (nationalanthem.mp3).

Additionally, NSFW posts are not always welcomed by everybody on the site. And sometimes those people will click on a NSFW post to voice their displeasure with the person or persons who posted it, which historically has not really gone very well for either side and reflects poorly on the community as a whole. This also creates more work for the moderators.

We've outgrown these posts as a community, and the overwhelming majority of it serves no purpose other than to show pictures of naked humans. A pro tip I will share with everybody is that pictures of naked humans can easily be found elsewhere on the web, frequently on websites that feature that content in MUCH higher concentration and do not clutter the page with posts about Miatas or the merits of a manual transmission.

In fact, you can even stay within the Kinjaverse to find such content, as the people who manage the Cigar Lounge have volunteered to host what you're used to seeing in Oppositelock. You might say that NSFW isn't banned here, just moved to a better more receptive home.

Questions on any of this?
Email us: oppomoderator at gmail dot com

TL:DR - No more NSFW posts in Oppo. Please do that in the Cigar Lounge instead.

Party-vi > crown victor victoria 01/13/2015 at 12:59

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Everyone knows I love me some NSFW posts (hell I used to post some good ones), and I fully support this idea. It is not worth the hassle and butthurt these posts cause on both sides just to get some tiddies up on Oppositelock.

For Sweden > Party-vi 01/13/2015 at 13:01

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hehehe butthurt you said butt

WesBarton89 - The Way to Santa Fe > crown victor victoria 01/13/2015 at 13:01

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I think this is completely fair. I don't understand why anyone would have an issue with it.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > crown victor victoria 01/13/2015 at 13:04

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I see that we've finally come abreast of the dongers of being unpornfessional. Pure fapping material is thus eliminated, at a stroke - jerked off Oppo. While some might consider this to strip, lay bare, or expose a firm body of harder moderation waiting to rise to the top, or press itself between our softer interests, things had already come to a head - more than once! Ultimately, and at long last, this had to come.

#YouMayTakeThePorn

#ButYouWillNeverTakeOurRibaldPuns

MonkeePuzzle > crown victor victoria 01/13/2015 at 13:04

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hear hear, agreed

if it's car related, sure, maybe, but just straight porn, yeah we have a whole internet for that

505Turbeaux > crown victor victoria 01/13/2015 at 13:05

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I would like to chime in and just say, since this is a new restriction of sorts, you did not define NSFW well enough in your edict. In order for this to be effective and enforceable, please define this. Nudity of any type, underwear, any skin? I just don't want this to end up being a subjective matter. Not a reflection of my opinion, just lay it out so we know what the line is

crowmolly > For Sweden 01/13/2015 at 13:05

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Got to use DAS BUTT twice in one day! :D

ttyymmnn > For Sweden 01/13/2015 at 13:05

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Just don't post a picture of it.

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > crown victor victoria 01/13/2015 at 13:06

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So it's now tits and GTFO?

Milky > crown victor victoria 01/13/2015 at 13:06

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I'll be that guy for sake of conversation. My NSFW posts regularly get got 1k views.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Party-vi 01/13/2015 at 13:06

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I'd say if the posts are really necessary (say, if Amateur has built up a high volume demanding release), then a post on cigar lounge followed by a "hint hint" post on Oppo might make sense. Or not.

Xyl0c41n3 > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 01/13/2015 at 13:07

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That was beautiful! *wipes away single tear from cheek* ^_^

505Turbeaux > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 01/13/2015 at 13:07

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whoever was fapping to Oppo has deeper issues...

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > 505Turbeaux 01/13/2015 at 13:08

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Ask PartyVI about Allards. There may be some denials. Or Denalis, one of the two.

For Sweden > ttyymmnn 01/13/2015 at 13:09

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[F]16 be gentle this is my first time XD

Chuck 2(O=[][]=O)2 > Party-vi 01/13/2015 at 13:09

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Your avatar has never been more appropriate. I read that whole post in Dave's voice.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 01/13/2015 at 13:09

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Given that the tits will be in CigarLounge, it will be more like GTFO, then tits.

Jcarr > 505Turbeaux 01/13/2015 at 13:10

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http://www.mlive.com/news/saginaw/i…

Chuck 2(O=[][]=O)2 > Milky 01/13/2015 at 13:11

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1k. WOW. God, it's really hard to do this without sounding like a douche.

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > 505Turbeaux 01/13/2015 at 13:11

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Softcore porn

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > crown victor victoria 01/13/2015 at 13:11

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I'd also like to point out that the lede image and "hello friends" sounds like a comically tone-deaf sales pitch of some kind. Also, I have to work in the word "Nudesworthy" somewhere in the replies, so it may as well be here.

Chuck 2(O=[][]=O)2 > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 01/13/2015 at 13:12

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I think they took this girl too seriously

Milky > Chuck 2(O=[][]=O)2 01/13/2015 at 13:12

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Doesn't the average oppo post get a couple hundred?

Chuck 2(O=[][]=O)2 > Milky 01/13/2015 at 13:13

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if that

Mr. Ontop, No Strokes, No Smokes...Goes Fast. > crown victor victoria 01/13/2015 at 13:13

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Anyone wanting to post car related boobies, please feel free to do so on www.reddit.com/r/oppositelock I'm the mod there and with the exception of gore( because seriously, no one want to see that), will not limit your posts.

505Turbeaux > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 01/13/2015 at 13:14

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also too subjective. To me softcore porn is still missionary position. Hardcore would be watersports, S+M etc.

HammerheadFistpunch > 505Turbeaux 01/13/2015 at 13:14

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if its nudies for the sake of nudies, then its verboten. The FP is a great example, its a car themed story of merit that just happens to be about nudity. In which case, the same NSFW rules apply (tag it and hide it behind a lead pic). We aren't eliminating stories that not everyone will be able to read at work, we are elimination nudity [violence, language, et all] just for the sake of nudity [etc].

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Xyl0c41n3 01/13/2015 at 13:14

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It's been a while since I've composed an innuendo post. I figured this was the time - my Oppo needed me.

Mr. Ontop, No Strokes, No Smokes...Goes Fast. > For Sweden 01/13/2015 at 13:15

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You're a naughty, naughty [F]16, aren't you?

Milky > Chuck 2(O=[][]=O)2 01/13/2015 at 13:15

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So yes, in your other comment you sounded like a douche.

505Turbeaux > HammerheadFistpunch 01/13/2015 at 13:15

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I see an ass on the front page right now with a NSFW tag, which is why I was asking. Still a little vague, not for me, but I see some people that would be confused

Chuck 2(O=[][]=O)2 > crown victor victoria 01/13/2015 at 13:16

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All this and Jalop shares this on the FP.

StingrayJake > crown victor victoria 01/13/2015 at 13:17

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I've been apart of several off topic message boards and this is the first one I've been a regular of that allowed full nudity. The thing that amazes me about it is that Oppo is so much more accessible than those were so in essence this was an easy depository for photos of naked women.

I understand that this is an off topic board board with a mostly car lean and that car culture in general is very "hehe make women hehe" and juvenile. Thing is I iust don't understand what naked photos add to the discussion here. There is no discussion. It's just "hehe naked women hehe."

Xyl0c41n3 > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 01/13/2015 at 13:17

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It truly is a marvel.

Leadbull > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 01/13/2015 at 13:17

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What about softcore pawn?

Mr. Ontop, No Strokes, No Smokes...Goes Fast. > crown victor victoria 01/13/2015 at 13:17

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Hey, crown, did you happen to notice the FP? http://lanesplitter.jalopnik.com/students-boote…

HammerheadFistpunch > 505Turbeaux 01/13/2015 at 13:18

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Like Archduke said (listen up all you who might be confused), if its just softcore [other other cores] of porn, we don't want it. If your post contains NSFW material but actually has relevance, then:

1. think prudently about sharing

2. if you decide its got value then share it with the standard NSFW rules

macanamera > crown victor victoria 01/13/2015 at 13:18

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This change is not made lightly and was debated long and hard.

macanamera > Party-vi 01/13/2015 at 13:18

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But there are simply no other websites where one can see tiddies. Oppo was the one place on the internet where tiddies could be found. What will people do?

briannutter1 > crown victor victoria 01/13/2015 at 13:19

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I don't post NSF. I do like NSF. I won't NSF. But this is what I think of people who forced us into this position.

MonkeePuzzle > Xyl0c41n3 01/13/2015 at 13:20

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"tear"

505Turbeaux > HammerheadFistpunch 01/13/2015 at 13:20

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ok I was just poking fun at ArchDuke, but thank you for your response to clarify.

macanamera > 505Turbeaux 01/13/2015 at 13:20

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( °  °)

HammerheadFistpunch > crown victor victoria 01/13/2015 at 13:21

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I would like to add, that its going to be a while before the culture changes so we ask you to:

1. spread the word

2. Not flip the hell out if someone slips up because they hadn't been informed yet.

If you see people in flagrant violation who should know better, just flag the post or send us an email and we will address it, otherwise just link to this post (use tag "Rules of the road", "moderation" or "owners manual" to find it).

T5Killer > For Sweden 01/13/2015 at 13:21

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A/S/take off weight?

For Sweden > T5Killer 01/13/2015 at 13:23

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Takeoff weight is just a number

crowmolly > crown victor victoria 01/13/2015 at 13:23

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Not that my opinion matters much but I am far more interested in what other OPPOs are wrenching on/racing/buying/selling than I am looking at NFSW posts. It isn't called Boobositelock.

Party-vi > macanamera 01/13/2015 at 13:23

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Jerk it to their once-dusty spank bank. IF ONLY THERE WERE A PLACE ON THE INTERTUBZ FOR BEWBS

Party-vi > Chuck 2(O=[][]=O)2 01/13/2015 at 13:24

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Hence "tiddies".

Party-vi > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 01/13/2015 at 13:24

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I mean, I'm not not condoning this.

macanamera > Party-vi 01/13/2015 at 13:25

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If only there was a site, nay, a conglomeration of sites, that held more bewbs than any one man could glance at in a lifetime...

ttyymmnn > 505Turbeaux 01/13/2015 at 13:26

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That's a good point. All the way back in July of 2013 (which shows you how long we've been wrestling with this issue), I posted a picture of a woman in a bikini at the beach for the anniversary of the creation of the bikini. She was wearing nothing more provocative than what you'd see at any public beach in the US, or on broadcast TV (which isn't saying much these days), and a mod replaced it. I'm all in favor of this new policy, but (I said the word!) we need some better guidelines.

Smutastic > crown victor victoria 01/13/2015 at 13:28

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Oh come on, I love the NSFW posts. But only because I work in porn and get to laugh and think "that's not NSFW, that's too boring to get noticed at work. I got some NSFW! Now where is that *kracken screencap I saved."

And yes, as I type I'm watching porn on my big monitor because I can, and they pay me to.

*kracken being the vaginal prolapse I watched live as the performer made it talk like some horrible Sesame Street puppet gone wrong. Seriously, she did a voice.

RallyWrench > crown victor victoria 01/13/2015 at 13:29

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Well said. Can we include the Youabian Puma in this, so I never have to see it again?

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > macanamera 01/13/2015 at 13:30

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r/gonewildplus

Milky > briannutter1 01/13/2015 at 13:30

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Agreed, the whole reason I started coming here was that its a sub blog, not the FP. Now there is sub-sub blogs?

Tekamul > crown victor victoria 01/13/2015 at 13:30

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You've all gone soft, like a dove you need to shake awake before releasing to the wild.

So now CL is the new Oppo, and Oppo is the more butthurt FP, while the FP remains a clickhole .

Fantastic.
I'm so glad the moderators have agreed to silence a minority for the good of a new, more vocal majority in the name of public image. You should feel good about this, it's what Oppo is all about. At least you did it with condescension, friend.

briannutter1 > Milky 01/13/2015 at 13:32

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down the rabbit hole we go!

ttyymmnn > Chuck 2(O=[][]=O)2 01/13/2015 at 13:33

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Irony is a difficult word to describe, but you know it when you see it.

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > Leadbull 01/13/2015 at 13:33

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That as well!

Bandit > Milky 01/13/2015 at 13:39

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Well they were, how should I put this.... very classy

SnapUndersteer, Italian Spiderman > crown victor victoria 01/13/2015 at 13:42

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Opponauts, although I've only very rarely posted some NSFW nudies, I think this is the best course of action for y'all.

Since this is our policy, if you don't like you can leave. I hate to be this blunt about it.

Thanks

Laird Andrew Neby Bradleigh > crown victor victoria 01/13/2015 at 13:43

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Gotcha, no more NSFW :) Quite O.K with this actually, but I can still post the odd picture of Mary Elizabeth Winstead or Jewel Staite right? RIGHT?? Can't take the sky from me.

HammerheadFistpunch > briannutter1 01/13/2015 at 13:44

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its equal parts:

Image

Helen Lovejoy

people bitching about the Helen Lovejoy's

I shouldn't say equal, its mostly because its just detracts from modern oppo WAY more than it adds, but parts 2 and 3 in equal measure.

HammerheadFistpunch > Chuck 2(O=[][]=O)2 01/13/2015 at 13:45

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actually, that post is perfect for describing what is okay for Oppo. Content that is germane that HAPPENS to be NSFW. not NSFW for NSFW sake.

crown victor victoria > 505Turbeaux 01/13/2015 at 13:45

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it will never be perfectly outlined because it does deal in the subjective, and the old saying "I can't define it, but I know it when I see it" is very apt here.

I mentioned, specifically, the posts that are 4 images of naked females and 5 of cars. Things that are nudity for the sake of nudity. And of course full blown pornography that we already don't really support. And I think people will inherently know if something meets those criteria or not.

This will be a learning experience, and we are not going to swing the banhammer at every aereola we see. It's going to take a while for this to make complete sense, but largely I think people will know if what they are about to post is ok or not.

I don't say this to be dismissive, I just think that's the truth.

SnapUndersteer, Italian Spiderman > 505Turbeaux 01/13/2015 at 13:46

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Wait, were you and I the only ones?

Balls!

crown victor victoria > MonkeePuzzle 01/13/2015 at 13:47

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And like i mentioned in the post, Cigar Lounge will happily have all of what used to go in here. We aren't taking it away, we're just moving it.

BorkBorkBjork > crown victor victoria 01/13/2015 at 13:47

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"We've outgrown these posts as a community"

Sounds like something my HOA would say...

505Turbeaux > SnapUndersteer, Italian Spiderman 01/13/2015 at 13:52

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we got issues Snap...

crown victor victoria > Mr. Ontop, No Strokes, No Smokes...Goes Fast. 01/13/2015 at 13:52

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I did (total coincidence), and as HammerheadFistpunch said earlier, it is a good example of a post that is ok. There is a story there and nudity is a part if that, but it is more than just an asscrack.

If those pics had just been interspersed with pictures of cars and devoid of any context, you have the typical NSFW Oppo post, which is what we are trying to move away from for the stated reasons.

But if it has a point, a reason for being other than simple nudity, nobody is going to be upset.

crown victor victoria > macanamera 01/13/2015 at 13:53

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What we did there, you see it

macanamera > crown victor victoria 01/13/2015 at 13:54

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You guys must be master debators.

crown victor victoria > Tekamul 01/13/2015 at 13:59

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I am sorry you think we somehow caved in to the demands of a special interest group.

I was very clear on the reasons behind this, and I am sorry none of them fit your narrative.

We have not silenced any minorities or catered to any majorities. You can freely post NSFW in CL, and we were not doing this because some people told us we had to or else.

D > 505Turbeaux 01/13/2015 at 14:00

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there are actual definitions for softcore and hardcore, and your definitions are not them

505Turbeaux > crown victor victoria 01/13/2015 at 14:02

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I certainly am aware of what you mean, and I don't think this was dismissive. The last thing I want is someone to get banned, while another gets a pass on some questionable material and it ripping the community apart. That is not a commentary on mods being unfair at all, just a realization of a fuzzy line and making it a little more discernible. Also so noone goes about trying to test the line.

As much as I have participated in the past in NSFW, I have come to the realization that it is limiting our potential audience. Part of the reason I have been looking into swinging dad/parent/parenting-lopnik off into its own sub blog was the fear I would share something out and have some tasteless, pointless titty be the first thing on the Oppo FP and have a personal friend say - you share this stuff about your kids and cars onto a PORN blog? Etc. Etc anyhow, thanks for the clarification

Mr. Ontop, No Strokes, No Smokes...Goes Fast. > crown victor victoria 01/13/2015 at 14:02

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I'm not going to do a private e-mail. I think this sort of thing should be discussed in public. I've got to say that I don't really see the difference between SFW lead image as long as they are tagged NSFW tag vs cigar lounge postings. Just don't click on the links that have the tags if you aren't in a position to view it. The guys that post this stuff are usually pretty good at stating what the contents of the post are up front, so there is no mistaking what is inside after the jump. I know you have your stated reasons, but as a regular commenter around here, I also feel that mods should listen a bit more when I say that I don't agree with them. Knowing that my comments are worth a little more than tilting at windmills would also be a welcome change.

505Turbeaux > D 01/13/2015 at 14:07

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yeah, that was me being an ass

TheD0k_2many toys 2little time > crown victor victoria 01/13/2015 at 14:09

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Your welcome for bringing this change on.

(Is this considered NSFW?)

Tekamul > crown victor victoria 01/13/2015 at 14:13

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This conclusion was reached collectively and we believe this reflects a good cross section of Oppositelock's opinions and furthers Oppo's perception to the increasingly public eye.

Your policy is an attempt to limit certain expressions on Oppo, to further Oppo's perception.

Additionally, NSFW posts are not always welcomed by everybody on the site. And sometimes those people will click on a NSFW post to voice their displeasure with the person or persons who posted it.

This is the part where you are caving. I never said it was a special interest group, just a vocal subset of the community, just as you have stated. Their rabble has convinced a portion of the moderators that this is hurting Oppo's public image. Also, don't automatically claim authority as CL, this isn't about some other community, it's about Oppo .

As for your suggestion as to where I can piss off to, I have no interested in posting anything NSFW, I just prefer a community where people are free to express their own voice. That should be exceedingly easy to do, especially when everyone has been so good about warning everyone about the content contained within.

Again, you're doing this to further a perception, at the cost of people's ability to express their own voice. I expect mandatory trigger warning's and language-centric codes of conduct to follow.

At least you had nothing to say about the patronizing superiority in your tone.

SnapUndersteer, Italian Spiderman > macanamera 01/13/2015 at 15:26

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We have quite the engorged history, per se

Gamecat235 > crowmolly 01/13/2015 at 15:56

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full disclosure, had CL said no, that was going to be the first name I wanted to check to see if I could make it for this purpose.

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > crown victor victoria 01/13/2015 at 17:03

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Meanwhile, MorningAfter and Deadspin continue to suggest I watch a gif on someone on HBO getting their salad tossed.

crown victor victoria > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 01/13/2015 at 21:27

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But those are totally different sites, with totally different audiences. The only common thread is Gawker Media, who have been very good at bringing in site traffic to all their properties in lots of different ways, some good, some bad. And it doesn't mean much in relation to Oppo. It's like saying:

"Ha, I drove my neighbor's Chrysler 200 on the Rubicon and it couldn't do anything my Jeep Wrangler could do. What a piece of shit!"

I understand what you mean by pointing that out, but it isn't like I was given a Gawker handbook on my first day as a mod. There's no code I am forced to follow. We could turn Oppo into a nude picture paradise, a 24/7 slideshow of skin, and it's doubtful that anybody on the payroll at HQ would stop it. Nothing from Oppo would ever get shared to Facebook or the FP, though, and there's your tradeoff.

crown victor victoria > Tekamul 01/13/2015 at 22:04

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First of all, I really am sorry that you found the tone of the post to be patronizing/superior. That was not my intention at all. We are not trying to kick people out of Oppo or pass judgement on them. Nobody has been banned. I hope everybody stays and continues to post good content, as has always been the case.

But you are correct, we are trying to protect Oppo's wider perception, because of the way Kinja sometimes indiscriminately broadcasts one subblog into the front pages of other, top-line blogs, like Jalopnik, Deadspin, Gizmodo, etc, or social media properties. I don't think it unreasonable to want to do some QC given how frequently those things I mentioned do happen. It is a fairly regular occurrence, actually.

And I don't claim any authority over Cigar Lounge. That subblog has a happy community and their own guidelines, which we respect. I reached out to CL beforehand and asked if they would be comfortable in accepting all of the NSFW posts Oppo normally houses. They said yes, and that being a home for that and other things was CL's entire reason for being. So I didn't just throw Cigar Lounge out there unwittingly. Please do not make judgments when you do not have all the facts.

And I know this is about Oppo, which is why this decision was made in the first place. The best case scenario outcome being that what isn't right for Oppo is a great fit over on CL. We are not restricting anybody's freedoms or limiting their speech. That kind of speech can continue all day forever, but just not in Oppo. We're not deleting any posts, not deauthoring users. We've just made a rule change. Oppo benefits much more from relocating the NSFW content than it does from keeping it, which is the bottom line.

Lastly, I'd just like to set the record straight on the portion of my original text that you've quoted and edited for the sake of your argument. There is no sentence end after "persons who posted it" as you have it above:

"Additionally, NSFW posts are not always welcomed by everybody on the site. And sometimes those people will click on a NSFW post to voice their displeasure with the person or persons who posted it, which historically has not really gone very well for either side and reflects poorly on the community as a whole. This also creates more work for the moderators."

The biggest problem, and the point that paragraph makes, was that every time NSFW posts showed up, the comments would devolve into slapfights over whether the content was sexist or not, with people telling others "just don't click" on and on into infinity, with accusations and lots of ugly words being exchanged. For a VERY LONG TIME, the mods stayed out of these arguments until the point that someone went over the line with ad hominem attacks or the creation of new posts to call attention to behaviors in the NSFW stuff that some people found objectionable. It was creating more work for us, because neither side had the maturity to resolve their differences, and it was and continues to be juvenile and sad. But now we have finally decided that certain groups are incapable of coexisting, so we've opted to shut down their primary boxing ring. Like I mentioned before, we are volunteers. I'd rather spend my time browsing Oppo and even posting, not managing user permissions for folks who can't stop themselves from whacking the hornet's nest. And things like Oppo being blocked for people because of the NSFW content saturation, well that was another thing we had an opportunity to address, and that made our decision somewhat clearer.

So that's that (sorry for the rant, but you deserve the explanation). Again, we're not acting because we buckled under the weight of complaints from a certain group. We did it for other, legitimate reasons and I think it was the right thing to do regardless. We went out of our way to identify a more forgiving outlet for the content, and hope that it flourishes there and is something that CL is able to make their own.

crown victor victoria > TheD0k_2many toys 2little time 01/13/2015 at 22:32

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This was a long time coming. It's been a topic for months. I wouldn't feel like you caused it to happen or anything.

crown victor victoria > Mr. Ontop, No Strokes, No Smokes...Goes Fast. 01/13/2015 at 22:45

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I didn't put the email address at the bottom as a passive-aggressive way of suggesting nobody hash things out in the comments. It was more of an alternative option for people should they want to use it (and FTR nobody has as of yet - it's all here on the page or locked up in people's heads), so I wasn't trying to stifle pulic conversation. Sorry if it seemed like I was...

And believe me, we do listen to the voices of the community. I know it doesn't always seem like it, but the community's voice is of utmost importance to us, and that dictates 99% of our actions. This is precisely why we had stayed out of this for so long. The question of what to do about NSFW would come up every few weeks like clockwork, but we always decided they should stay because the community showed enough support for them. That is how we evaluate things.

But lately the NSFW posts have been nothing but magnets for trouble. People are incapable of respectful discussion in those posts, and they were creating a lot of additional work for us. I'm probably about to butcher a Japanese proverb here, but it became a situation where the nail that sticks out gets hammered down. We'd all had enough. Couple this with the impact to the site in general from a filtering standpoint for more than a few users, and it ended up making plenty of sense to ask that NSFW be taken elsewhere.

And in the end that's all we've done. It's not deleted, nobody was punished. We're just asking that it happen in CL going forward, because they're happy to host it there and don't have the issues with it that we have had.

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > crown victor victoria 01/13/2015 at 22:56

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Alrighty, but do I have to tolerate posts that tell me I don't respect my wife and that we should watch the "foul language?" This change is clearly in direct response to the complaints from this weekend. Most/all of the nsfw were within the guidelines based on the previous updates of rules (rated R), yet some people were called sexist when they were following the rules: proper tagging and low-key.

Maybe a new policy should be to lobby for rule changes through the proper channel (mods) and not name-calling users who are not violating rules.

Similarly, when I saw other users use the words "feminism/feminists" as insults , I knew this shit was going to go to hell after that.

TheD0k_2many toys 2little time > crown victor victoria 01/13/2015 at 23:27

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eh i caused a pretty large shitstorm. i should have known this was coming

Also i was a bit of an asshole towords a few people. In my defense they were accusing me of things not true though

crown victor victoria > TheD0k_2many toys 2little time 01/13/2015 at 23:46

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That was the main thing - both parties shared in the blame.

If it had been just the one side constantly making trouble, that's an easy fix because we can clearly see that one group is trying to start shit at every opportunity. And as we have done many other times in that kind of situation, a simple revocation of authorship or outright ban will do the trick.

But this was coming from all angles. It was two groups who clearly did not like each other very much and it always got messy over this one particular thing, so we decided we wouldn't play host to that thing anymore.

Cigar Lounge stepped up to take those posts on, and they will not have the same problems that Oppo did. I think this is the best case scenario for all involved and hopefully everybody will be better for it.

TheD0k_2many toys 2little time > crown victor victoria 01/13/2015 at 23:56

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yes i admit i was an asshole to some people and probably should have thought before i typed.

On a side note, i emailed the mod email bit never got a responce. I was wondering if my being a dick resulted in my posting rights taken away.

crown victor victoria > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 01/13/2015 at 23:57

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No, you don't have to tolerate it at all. That is why Lord Kinja hath blest us with thine mighty dismiss button. The problem was that most people never did that and instead added additional comments which only served to incite more outrage. It was an infinite downward spiral of angry posts from both sides, and it made a lot of work for the mods.

In the end, it wasn't worth the trouble it caused.

Gamecat235 > TheD0k_2many toys 2little time 01/14/2015 at 02:12

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I checked the moderator email queue. I would rather respond publicly.

For the record, I added you back as an author just now. We took the precautionary measure of removing authorship when you said you were leaving just to try to keep the flames from burning even more intensely. Just in case it did get worse from your original post. Boneyard was blocked, you were not.

If you have more questions, let me or CVV know, or shoot em in another email.

TheD0k_2many toys 2little time > Gamecat235 01/14/2015 at 02:46

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Naw thats cool i was just kinda pissed at the time and not thinking.

Sorry for being an asshole if thats worth anything.

Gamecat235 > TheD0k_2many toys 2little time 01/14/2015 at 03:02

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Your reaction once everything started to settle says as much as anything else. Thanks for understanding.

With-a-G is back to not having anything written after his username > crown victor victoria 01/14/2015 at 14:28

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FWIW, I am very happy that you made this decision. It seems to me that it's about time. The current proliferation of sub blogs also seems to make this as painless as possible for those who so desperately need a Kinja-powered NSFW home.

Rico > 505Turbeaux 01/14/2015 at 23:40

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But the Ford GT looks so good!

Don't judge me.

Rico > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 01/14/2015 at 23:44

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I'm laughing in bed like an idiot at this.

Also came for the NSFW.

Stef Schrader > crown victor victoria 01/15/2015 at 03:30

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8========>

(I support this move 100000000%. Kudos to CL for stepping up and giving NSFW a home.)

Stef Schrader > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 01/15/2015 at 03:32

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FWIW, I cringed a lot at that GIF. What? No. NO. Put that below the jump, please.